And it sounds like all things being equal, white guys have a lot more flexibility to try to pull this off than black men do. This interview has been edited and condensed. It is also a source of consternation for the general public since it challenges the traditional and for many the unyielding belief that sexual behavior is indicative of identity. Guys know what other guys are like. It is not necessarily about sexual attraction to a gender, but sexual pleasure. Rather, we recognize that racial and ethnic communities and cultures have tremendous value in and of themselves, and so I think similarly that there are many, many reasons to want to be queer, and because queerness, unlike race or gender, is something that we can cultivate in our lives, it makes perfect sense to me that people would. For example, a article examining sexual orientation research concluded that many studies ask subjects to merely describe their sexual behaviors during the past year. What happens when we pull all of this evidence together? Almost all studies define sexual orientation based on at least one of the three following indicators: They are just wanting to experiment and have a bit of fun just like we see girls out there on the dance floor. Are these men secretly gay and in hiding? I talk about that as the logic of homosexual necessity in the book and that comes up a lot, this claim that, well, men have to do this for X or Y reason. You take readers on sort of a 20th-century American tour of heterosexual dabbling in homosexual behavior, and there was never a lack of evidence that such dabbling took place. Robinson, Eli Coleman, and Walter O. As such, if a bisexual male is in a monogamous relationship during that time with a same-sex partner, he is identified as a gay man. Because I think often when people hear these stories, they're imagining sort of quaky, nauseous, sad little straight boys who are being forced to do this kind of thing, but then you look at the photos and you see there's just a lot of smiling and laughing.